Society and freedom

This is a conversation between Rohan and me. It all started with my personal message on MSN messenger which read "Freedom...what we always strive for throughout our lives...and never really manage to obtain..." Give your comments on it.

Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
we CAN very easily obtain freedom
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
but you need to obliterate society to do so
Shravan says:
yeah
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
society is the constrain, society is the chain denying you your freedom
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
eliminate society and voila, there you go - freedom
Shravan says:
exactly why as long as society exists, freedom doesnt
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
no
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
you just need to get outta society
Shravan says:
and society at the moment is inevitable
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
no
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
its not
Shravan says:
unless you are abandoned in a forest, there isn't much a chance to escape society
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
so then lets do that
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
lets be humans in the true essence of being humans
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
survining and existing, not living
Shravan says:
hehe...leave your kid in a forest
Shravan says:
without any means of getting back
Shravan says:
come to think of it....I dont think there will be as dense a forest left on earth when you have a kid
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
who said I want kids
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
who said I want a mate
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
others just eat away at your freedom
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
love eats away at your freedom
Shravan says:
i know
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
hope eats away at freedom
Shravan says:
haven't you noticed why I prefer to remain alone at most times???
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
to seek freedom? but at the very same time, no offence but i would say that your an exmeplification of a perfect slave to society and conformity...
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
so you arent truly seeking freedom
Shravan says:
nope
Shravan says:
i dont think so
Shravan says:
what makes you say that
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
you do things in a very predictable way.
you strive for excellence in academics which has no value - whats it actually gonna get you? freedom? i dont think so...
im not saying your a nerd. your brilliantly smart and i appreciate that. your not a risk taker - you leave no rooom for experimenting with the one true thing that must be experimented with, not chemicals and machines - LIFE
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
thats my opinion
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
and i dont mean it in a negative sense
Shravan says:
you think so
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
and i bet you have opinions on me that i wouldnt agree with
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
and i kno im not completely right
Shravan says:
but I have many aspects that you dont know of
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
because i dont know you enough
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
exactly
Shravan says:
i know
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
so thats what you seem like on the face of it
Shravan says:
actually I strive for academic excellence...because I want to...rather than someone telling me to
Shravan says:
I like academics and so I want to excel
Shravan says:
same thing with music
Shravan says:
same with lab work
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
agreed
Shravan says:
that doesnt make me bow to rules
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
but then do you think (as you said, being with people mitigates freedom) that it is necessary to come to a 'social' institution to do all that.... you have passion for what we call education, but it is self satisfaction for you. why not stay at home or in the pastures of a country side solving sums and striving academically there, self evaluating your self, void of people judgements (like mine )
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
free of everything....
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
why come to school for all that
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
is that not complying...?
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
is that not falling into the system
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
?
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
(im not saying im perfectly practicing what i preach, i wish i could, but ive fallen into the same vicious trap)
Shravan says:
yeah...being born in the society, we fall in the trap, and we cant escape
Shravan says:
that is why I said that we should have been born apes
Shravan says:
or lions for that matter
Shravan says:
they're free
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
exactly
Shravan says:
they dont need to do TOK
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
haha
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
yeah
Shravan says:
we initiated society in order for us to live together to help guard each other's backs
Shravan says:
but then, each individual was still free to quit society and wander for himself
Shravan says:
or so history says
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
so what compeled us to 'stay'?
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
stay..even though we didnt really watch each others backs
Shravan says:
conditioning
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
but just watched our own
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
what conditioning?
Shravan says:
like for example...a kid born doesnt know society
Shravan says:
the parents expose it and get it to learn
Shravan says:
so think of the kid in the forest
Shravan says:
its not going to know about society
Shravan says:
its free
Shravan says:
or think for that matter about bird boy
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
hmmm
Shravan says:
he has been with birds throughout his life
Shravan says:
he hasnt had any contact or communication with humans
Shravan says:
so he has no conditioning about society
Shravan says:
btw...look at handmaid's tale
Shravan says:
that is the kind of conditioning i'm talking about
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
i get what your saying
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
but personally
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
i hate all of it
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
i hate the whole concept of todays modern world
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
what things are based on
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
what life is based on tday
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
have you read this (refer to the post “Against School”)
Shravan says:
yeah...its too tough on a unique individual
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
?
Shravan says:
people who think out of the box wont be able to cope up
Shravan says:
which now makes me think that TOK can doom us
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
haha
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
yeah
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
Doom us after emancipating us
Shravan says:
because it gets us to think out of the box
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
read it and get back to me
Dull Boy: ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die says:
tell me if u glimpse any truth in it