Music and Dimensions

Hi guys. Hows a suspension free life suiting everyone? Anyway, this is a convo that me and nikita had a few months ago. Feel free to comment:

Classical Mushroom says:
but...
music is very much scientific
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
cute dp btw. u look like youre in the 70;s?
Classical Mushroom says:
and very systmatic and organized
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i agree. but when you write with someone, you tend to allow their thoughts to run along
Classical Mushroom says:
and orderly and precise
Classical Mushroom says:
making music isnt just feeling and emotion....its emotion running wild tied to a leash...a deep long leash...tied none the less...
espeically trance...
Classical Mushroom says:
and when it comes to moving songs...like chasing cars..
Classical Mushroom says:
human beings have this innate sense..or this inbuilt something...
only certain progressions...reguardless of the instrument and sound and lyrics...evoke sadness...joy...hatred...thrills...chills...
its part of the whole blue print
Classical Mushroom says:
nothing else wil...and everyone feels the same..im sure of it ...
we were meant to live BY music...
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i dont know if we were meant to live BY it.. but we were meant to have it move along with us.. in many ways cushioning our ups and downs and in many ways causing them
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
the sense of music.. regardless of its kind.. is definitely inate.
Classical Mushroom says:
exactly..you just supported what i was saying...
cushioning and causing...its the culprit...which is why i said live BY...
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
the ability of those progressions and chords and notes jumbled up together to emote our state of being in better ways sometimes than we can is what keeps me looped.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
hmm yea there you go then =)
Classical Mushroom says:
gettin lill TOK-y..sorry..but...
i doubt theres any scope for perception when it comes to music...
its all inate...if you disreguard experience..well all feel the same when we listen to a song for the first time...
well all act the same..etc etc
Classical Mushroom says:
and when it comes to making music...the true musician is one who can replicate emotions completely...
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i get wht youre saying but ure not talkin about lack of perception.. its something else.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
perception is there..
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
its what causes our attachment or our reliance on music.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
yep.. replicate and hence enrich.
Classical Mushroom says:
perception doesnt cause our attachment..this is sorta a loop hole....
its euphoria of the feeling...the addiction that causes the attachment.. humans just do not enjoy their ground state..we are born to crave the elevation...music does that..in some way or the other..perceptionlessly even...we WILL get hooked on... music CREATES the emotion..emotion causes everythin else..from reason to perception
Classical Mushroom says:
note: CREATES...doest cause...CREATES..
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
addiction = attachment, love.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
you're sayin what im saying, only with jumbled up words.
Classical Mushroom says:
yeah.....but thers no perception at all
Classical Mushroom says:
if your saying like i am..thats its innate..we cant perceive differently
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
okay then thts where we differ
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i think perception is there.. but the ability to perceive from music is inate..
Classical Mushroom says:
perception is there DUH..but not when it comes to music...IF WE DISREGUARD EXPERIENCE
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
every note/chord/sound evokes a certain emotion in everyone.. maybe more harshly in some than others.
Classical Mushroom says:
(so its settled then...TOK presentation partners?)
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
regard
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
**
Classical Mushroom says:
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Classical Mushroom says:

:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
hmm sure why not
Classical Mushroom says:
your talking degrees or perception...im talking different perceptions all together..
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
naah im talkin both ya.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
argh. too much to type
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
lol tok-y.
Classical Mushroom says:
and...which brings me back...
your article talks of how free music is etc etc...
true true..but when it comes to CREATING music...thers a lot of thought put into it, and frgt bout lyyrics...their not even secondary...(and i gues you agree)...like when it comes to trance..the trick is that...the innovaters replicated something that matches the heart pattern....it DIRECTLY AFFECTS OUR HEARTS when
Classical Mushroom says:
loud enough
Classical Mushroom says:
it pumps it faster..giving us a eupohoria then are there....
Classical Mushroom says:
its like bleeding from a cut ....
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
not our hearts, our states of mind, our states of being you could say
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
yep absolutely
Classical Mushroom says:
im confused..is it a physical scientific sensation or something else...mental...
Classical Mushroom says:
i shall ponder....hmmmmmm
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
its the creators ability to understand what brings about tht same emotion thru sound
Classical Mushroom says:
yeah..exactly...
Classical Mushroom says:
lets end this here..
Classical Mushroom says:
for 2 minutes
Classical Mushroom says:
think about this
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
not 2 minutes.. think about it.. i shall write some more, perhaps this time on my own..
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
we shall bring it up wednesday
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
TOK
Classical Mushroom says:
try imagining this...
a 6th sense....i mean..i find it sooo hard to imagine a 6th sense...that provides data...i mean..ears eyes nose skin tounge ... then? can you?
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i can, i guess
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
its exciting, yet scary
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i mean think of someone actually registering more info than everyone else, more of the world around is in a certain way
Classical Mushroom says:
EXACTLY
Classical Mushroom says:
HOW
Classical Mushroom says:
?
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
could be anything, maybe even something as meager as a very strong reality like intuition ability
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
you know, anything
Classical Mushroom says:
thats easy to say...anythin
Classical Mushroom says:
oh wait wait..infra red...like snakes...
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
imagine someone knowing using more than 4% of the brain.. being connected to the rest of the world which is so unknown to us
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
hmm myou could say, why not.
Classical Mushroom says:
i kno...its fascinating
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
imagine the confusion coz i mean if we truly create our own realities
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
then
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
an added sense will able us to sense those other realities which may exist
Classical Mushroom says:
its like having a reality..and then..HEY! HOLD ON! YOU HAVE ACCESSORIES AS WELL!
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
where we all my co-exist, choosing to see different parts of the entire world.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
haha yea kinda
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
so its like living in this world, existing in these 3 dimensions and yet sensing the other realities which may exist, tht is sensing the fourth dimension and so on
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
hence my nicnkname
Classical Mushroom says:
you mean the fifth...we have 3d vision...the 4th dimension is our minds...the fifth is unknown
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
i dont regard our mind as a dimension.. i regard it as the creator of them
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
so for me, its still 4th
Classical Mushroom says:
why cant the creator be a product?
Classical Mushroom says:
as long as it exists...its a dimension...and it does...individually...so it is a dimension....its the dimensional tool we use for the others...but a dimension none the less...we cannot classify this TOOL into 2d or 3d...wait.,.question: what is 1d?
Classical Mushroom says:
so it must be 4d...
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
well we look at 3 dimensions and then collectively understand them in our minds
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
so i can see why u mite regard it as another dimension
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
but no
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
coz
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
the 3 ds we sense, we see them collectively in our minds
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
thts not a part of our dimensions, thats something greater than them
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
we dont collectively process 4 ds anywhere
Classical Mushroom says:
but what of when were asleep..thers NO DATA TO PROCESS...yet thers processing occuring... how can you not regard that as a dimension at work...
Classical Mushroom says:
as in dreaming obviously...
Classical Mushroom says:
memories..yes...but what of things you dream about BEFORE they happen...
explain that...
things that you 'see' without having a memory of them..no data to process... that is the creation of a dimension in itself
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
AH GOOD POINT.
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
hmmm
:: nikita :: *[the fourth dimension]* says:
ill hvta think